By Tom Siddell
And everyone's happy!
I agree with donny here
Man, I wonder how this is going to affect his interactions with the other characters, was Renard watching?
Thank you, Tom. We don't always getto see the real side of our parents.
I'm honestly really glad he doesn't say 'see, your dad isn't a bad guy'; he's pretty much going 'yeah, what your father does to you is unforgivable, and i'm not arguing that'. That's a viewpoint you don't see a lot: usually the abusive parent is given a sympathetic backstory and apparently cleared of all sin.
I nominate mr donlan for the role of replacement annie's dad
THANK YOU, DONALD.
Right on, Donald.
This was an excellent chapter.
Donald is indeed a good friend to both Carvers . He showed Annie this rare side of Tony being vulnerable and allowing her to hear the story that would've kept under lock and key all while listening to his friend's tale and this shows that Donald is aware that Tony's action is explainable, but not excusable with has been hammered by some of the fans who want to remind the rest of this fact.
And speaking of hammering, I bet Tony's head is going to be pounding .
That second to last panel makes me respect Mr. Donlan that much more.
To see this side of your own father is... heavy.
And this is just one of many heavy things she has stcked on her shoulders.
Says Tom @ us readers
Did he just leave him in the chair like that? Donny, I like you, you sublimely cruel man whose vengeance may not be lethal, but painful nonetheless.
Now she knows. The hard part is how the rest of her friends take it, as they have not been privy to this particular revelation.
Forgive? Not yet. Understand? Yeah I think we can give him that.
Exactly. Tragic backstory does not excuse being a dick.
T H I S C O M M E N T I S C O P I E D A N D P A S T E D
EPIC FATHER POINTS DONNY!!
Oh man, he is going to have such a stiff back tomorrow.
So will this change anything?
Dony is the hero Annie both needs and deserves.
Jesus Fart, Antimony don't buy it. He's not an okay person.
Bless you, Donnie
Don's right like always.
Say it again for the people who are bashing those who hate Anthony, Donny.
Where is Reynard?
Doh-ho-ho, well done tom. one might have to be blind not to see what you did there. mad ups yo. not s/.
He's a better friend than Tony deserves, and the kind of friend Antimony needs.
And what was Reynard doing during all this?
this is it, the most satisfying page. thank god.
Tony still needs to be aether-slapped some more. For his own good.
Damn right, Donny.
I think maybe Tom is saying this to us, too. Tony is still a dick for what he did, but at least now we've seen this other side of him.
You wouldn't have, man is wound way too tight.
Love makes everyone acts in strange ways. Will this be worth for Annie? Also, that's... a pretty bad position to sleep.
Thank you, Katie's dad.
That's pretty much exactly how I feel.
Abusers are people too. They have emotions. They have reasons. Sometimes they're even pretty good ones.
You still don't get to hurt other people. But you do deserve sympathy, and help.
I wonder what she's going to do with this info.
Man, I get more back sprains sleeping that way...
If anything this makes his actions even more inexcusable. He's just gone from being a dick because he doesn't care about Annie, to being a dick because he does care, but is apparently trying to make Annie believe he doesn't.
Works for me. Will be interesting to see how this resolves finally.
He has a point...
Miso Paste. Miso Paste?
He's just a jerk is all.
...and there it is. Well played, Tom.
At least Tony is going to wake up with the great-grandmother of all hangovers. Maybe it will inspire him with enough remorse to actually talk to his daughter in person.
I think that was a reference to all the broken records out there. :D
Keep in mind Renard is also somewhere in the vicinity.
It is a very painful thing to relize that the person that is abuseive to you is a human too.
The big reveal in the drama was that the court has been wanting to get rid of Antimony. She and her father are but pawns in the game that the court is playing against the forest. For me it seems that the forest, mainly as the Coyote, is also playing with the court but not as an adversary in a game for some sort of prize. More like a cat might play with a mouse. For plain amusement.
donald donlan is good people.
Wow, he must be kinda cross with Tony, to get him drunk and then ditch him to sleep it off in a chair like that. Bet tony's neck will be sore in the morning...
Don: best dad ever.
Man, this guy would make a pretty good Dad.
THANK YOU DONALD!!!
I agree with Donny.
Boom! No excuse! Tony apologists, take note.
Great. Now I'm conflicted.
...and I had a serious hate on for this guy too.
Kat's dad is so awesome. I still don't like Annie's dad, and I don't want her anger to back down anytime soon, but I'm glad we got to see this side of him.
Man, this story has more twists than a cruller... good stuff!
No, not Annie, but us.
was he drunk? I'm confused on why he fell asleep...
Yes. A Comic. And so much more.
Thank-you Tom, for handling such a sensitive subject so well. I was worried for a while that the resolution of this arc might fall into the "see, he meant well and loves you so you should totally forgive and ignore his abusive behavior because of the arbitrary importance we place on blood relations" category, which is such a damaging belief that gets pushed on abuse victims. People can (and usually do) have reasons they behave in an abusive way, and it can be helpful to understand that, but it doesn't excuse them from being responsible for their own behavior. At least now Annie knows she's loved and not responsible for the way she's been treated. Thanks again, everything since Tony came back has been hard to read, but you've hit the nail on the head.
Donny really understands the Carvers, he knew they would be stuck unless he showed this to Annie.
Thank you Don, for proving the whole point of this explanation. It's not to excuse, but explain, and show us what we wouldn't of seen otherwise. Seriously, it's okay to hate Tony, and it's okay to feel bad for him, and it's okay to be somewhere in the middle about all of that. Don't be jerks to others over this though, k?
What? He couldn't help him to bed?
oh mu gos
Road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Donny speaks for the fans here
I hope he manages to talk it out with her soon. I don't know how much more of this both of them can take.
And Donald nails it.
A very, very valid point. It doesn't excuse. But perhaps it does, in part, explain.
Just as it is possible to sympathise with someone without condoning their actions.
A wonderful bit of storytelling, thanks.
Somehow i kinda hope Renard have heard that too.
...and could talk to Carver too.
(He can slouch like that and not one hair out of place! Tony must have Etheric hair, too.)
Nope, No! Bad Mr Donlan. You should know better that to leave a passed out drunk like that. ALWAYS put them in the recovery position.
Nuke him till he glows, Annie.
The person responsible for deciding whether his actions are excusable is Annie, though he's still a jerk for abandoning his kid. You may not like where is taking you but people are still depending on you.
I... really don't know what to say.
Just awesome dude. Pure, unadulterated awesome.
At least someone gets it
Mr. Donlan is an awesome person.
"What you jsut saw doesn't excuse anything he did..." Yes, Donald, the fandom agrees.
lol is he narcotic?? haha
Okay comic, we're still good
"What you just saw doesn't excuse anything he did"
Also, it doesn't even EXPLAIN why he was an asshole the last days.
The fundamental difference. Kat's dad is a human being, and a decent one at that. Antimony's parent is an homo sapiens sapiens and it will do anything it feels like at the time, without regard to any greater good.
i hope gunnerkrigg never ends
Did he just get all angsty then fall a sleep?
FEELS. ALL OF THE FEELS.
Excellently done! Mr. Donlan is so awesome. While I'm glad she saw the truth, I agree that it does not excuse what Tony's done.
THANK YOU Don!
Don almost seems colder than (public) Tony this chapter.
So.... He just feel asleep? In the middle of his confession!? What the heck!?
Old friend gets drunk passed out in his chair. . . ah leave him he'll be fine. whats the worst that can happen?
Yeah, this is why Donny's my favorite.
I am glad that Mr. Donlan at least acknowledged that circumstances do not excuse Anthony's actions. They certainly explain some things, and they give me a bit more sympathy for him, but they do not constitute as an apology, especially considering Anthony was not even aware of Annie's presence.
What???! You mean human emotional systems are complex things that rarely work the way we think they should, defying what we consider logical?! Of COURSE I'd never treat my daughter like that, no matter WHAT the circumstances! Sure, I've never faced anything that stressful, but if I ever did, I know for a fact that I'd never lose my cool, or be a dick in any way.
Now if you will excuse me, I must ride my high horse into the mayonnaise-tinged sunset.
THANK YOU MR. DONLAN FOR SAYING ANTHONY'S STILL SCREWED UP MAJORLY.
Если вы претендовать на меня, вы должны попробовать, чтобы не походить на идиота.
yep even his best friend thinks of tony as a jerk.
I'm glad Mr. Donlan can see that, even though Anthony seems torn up by what he's done to his daughter, Annie shouldn't just forgive what he's done or say that any of it was ok for him to do. He was not only playing to the hands of the court but also being more than careless with his daughter's feelings and well-being. I just hope Annie takes this new knowledge and realizes that now would be a good time to fuse back with her true emotions and return to how she was. Don't just lay down and take it. Burn with your inner fire and be you.
ahhhhhhh. ;^; basically nothing is solved but everything is like 120% harder
Donlan knows what's up. Dude's awesome.
Woah. That must have been horrible for Annie!
Instead of her finding out this way he could have explained it to her. But he he had to be a butt.
So... the drunk side? You wanted her to see her dad drunk?
This entire chapter has been a roller coaster and I love it.
So of their generation, Kat's mom clearly found the best boyfriend. The very best.
This is why Kat is awesome squared. Inheriting it from both parents it just can't be avoided.
thank god. thank you, Donald. oh my god, thank you. you are a better father figure for her than Tony would ever be.
Its become quite apparent the daughter takes after the father, considering the reluctance to show emotion
Friends dont let friends drown in their own vomit: set him down on his side, donny.
Mr. Donlan, a man who treats children well.
He had to go all Severus Snape on us :D
While Tony probably didn't fall asleep immediately upon crying, I kinda like to think that he did. Also: He's going to have such a kink in his neck.
Woah. That's profound. It is interesting to keep in mind that a tragic backstory does not excuse terrible behavior towards others. There is no excuse for emotional abuse. Intentions are not clear to outsiders; no one knows your true character except for you, so if you do bad things with a 'good' heart, no one will see that. They will only see the pain you cause, and they will see no reason to forgive you. Excellent writing maturity. Also, congratulations to Kat's dad to being so perceptive. I was wary at first of where this was going, but now I'm reassured it's on the right track.
I'm glad he said that. There's a huge difference between reason and justification. But, that's how you write humans--no one is perfect! Great work, Tom!
Donny, laying down some truth. Empathizing doesn't mean excusing.
Thank you for those last two panels, Tom. This is a phenomenal arc.
Re-read from the very beginning. Annie's dad acts just like she does, just without an awesome friend like Kat to help let her emotions out. Maybe Surma was Anthony's Kat? What would Annie become if she lost Kat?
The dad that we deserve.
Good man, Don. Now guide her to process all those revelations, because she is reeling and might not even show it.
I completely agree with Dony right there. He shouldn't take out the loss of his wife is onto his own daughter.
what will Annie do now? i cant wait for the next one!
damn right it didn't, Dolan is right on the money. Abuse doesn't have an excuse at any point in time. Excellent way to end that sequence, good on you!
Thank you, Donny, for underlining that this is no excuse.
Donald is right. What Anthony has done is abusive and selfish. However this chapter has shown that he is very human and that he does care about annie. There is potential for redemption here but in order for that to happen Anthony will have to open up to his daughter personally and ask for forgiveness for his coldness.
Thank you, Donny, for those two sentences. And thank you, Tom, for writing those two sentences.
Good job Donald
You're right, Donny. But it does go a long way towards explaining his actions. And it's much harder for the readers to hate him now; maybe Annie feels the same way. She still has every right to hate him, though.
I'm still confused about whether or not this happened after the dinner party or before it.
That was a great chapter (still one page left?), both in moving the story forward, and the art. Tom, you really have a knack for breathtakingly depicting worlds beyond the material. (:
(Though, since I haven't seen those higher planes, inhabitants of those might disagree. But screw them.)
A great father is a father even for those who are not his children. I'm eager to see how Antimony's going to react to all of this.
@diana: couldn't agree more.
Donnie Dolan for the win.
Aww. Donny's a good man. He understands that Anthony's actions weren't excuseable, but also that that Annie needed to see this other side of her father as well as hear his side of the story before passing judgement. In two panels Donlan sums up how this fandom should have approached this sad mess from the very beginning. Good on him.
Wherein Donny is Tom, and the fandom is Antimony.
His actions are inexcusable, but that doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't be forgiven. It is possible to forgive without forgetting. Don't get me wrong, he does have to earn that forgiveness, or at the very least ask for it; I just think he isn't beyond being forgiven.
More than anything, I hope that seeing this side of her dad allows Antimony to stand up to him; To speak to him as herself, her whole self, so that he can do the same for her.
Aww, I'm on Team Donny from now until forever. I think he strikes an excellent balance between understanding Tony and understanding Annie. Yeah, Tony has reasons, but they don't excuse his nasty behavior-- nor do they mean he doesn't love and want the best for Annie.
Whelp, Tony's a broken man. The perfect anti hero.
I. Love. Donny.
Summary: Anthony behaved like a fool (and is still behaving like one), but he does love his daughter.
Now lets go get those adoption papers.
Looking at the last panels, I just thought of Donny being evil. I don't know why, but I just imagined that a good twist would be that far in the comics he'd play a big role in the Court and I can picture him as an antagonist or something, I'd be happy, he looks kinda like a villain in the 4th panel, haha.
Well done Tom. I am impressed by your nuanced grasp of the depth of human actions and emotions, as well as your ability to express complex actions through this comic. It is an enjoyable and fascinating ride.
Further, I appreciate that you have shown you *do* consider all the possibilities and implications behind your work. Which is comforting, it makes your work more understandable.
Eglamore will have a load of resentment to deal with, I'm sure.
@Zack I'm pretty sure Donny is Anthony's Kat.
If only we could all have such a candid look into the minds of our parents.
"If you presume to judge me, you should not be an idiot." (my understanding of the comment in russian)"
And mr Donlan becomes my favorite dad ever
Donny: The best.
S.O.P. for dealing with someone who has passed out while drinking is to leave him where he is, if the location and posture are not dangerous. A hangover and a sore back are not dangerous, and experiencing them might be helpful in the long run.
Jesus, Proper, shut up.
GOOD JOB DONNY
Donlan perfectly nailed it.
The plot continues to thicken
I love the resolution to this situation. It's good. Mr. Donlan is good.
It does partially excuse, but it doesn't justify. To excuse is to forgive or overlook. We all offer excuses: I didn't mean to, it was a mistake, I didn't know, I was deranged with sorrow. Excuses don't claim that the act was right. They ask that it be forgiven.
I wish Mr. Donlan was my dad
DONNY IS BEST DAD
and all-around good dude
Again amazing that people miss the underlying point here, that it is a comic. Also that some can stay in their bloodlust against him.
And to some people - you don´t speak for all who read this. So please, at least when it comes to me, speak for yourself and not all. :)
Fair point, Donald. But you should probably go back and put him to bed. (Maybe Renard will put him to bed out of simple pity.)
Donny said that very well, I am contented.